Conversations with Richard Gaylord about Pinko Harvard Professor (a redundancy) Michael J. Sandel, plus David Friedman (boo) and Hans Hoppe (yay)

We also mention the evils of math in economics and how the concept of negative rights operates in libertarian theory

1. David Friedman is not a great libertarian

From: Richard Gaylord <rjgaylord@gmail.com>

Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2020 9:25 AM

To: Walter Block <wblock@loyno.edu>

Subject: Rothbard.com | Murray Rothbard, Libertarianism, and Anarcho-Capitalism

a new (to me) website

https://rothbard.com/page/2/

Dear Richard:

Thanks.

“Michael J. Sandel‘s book Justice, is a worthwhile read for anarcho-capitalists who have already read the greats in their own tradition: Murray Rothbard, David Friedman,”

Oy vey. I hardly think that David Friedman deserves such praise. Yes, he is a libertarian, and an anarchist, but this is what Murray has written about him:

Rothbard, Murray N. 2012. “Do You Hate the State?” July 27;

https://mises.org/daily/5342/Do-You-Hate-the-State

Best regards,

Walter

2. Hans Hoppe, instead, deserves the characterization “great libertarian.”

Dear Richard:

I just posted this on their web:

I read this on your web:

“Michael J. Sandel‘s book Justice, is a worthwhile read for anarcho-capitalists who have already read the greats in their own tradition: Murray Rothbard, David Friedman,”

but Murray was bitterly critical of David:

Rothbard, Murray N. 1977. “Do you hate the state?” The Libertarian Forum, Vol. 10, No. 7, July; https://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard75.html

“…there is no sign that David Friedman in any sense hates the existing American State or the State per se, hates it deep in his belly as a predatory gang of robbers, enslavers, and murderers. No, there is simply the cool conviction that anarchism would be the best of all possible worlds, but that our current set-up is pretty far up with it in desirability. For there is no sense in Friedman that the State – any State – is a predatory gang of criminals.”

how about, writing this instead, “the greats in their own tradition: Murray Rothbard, Hans Hoppe,”

Best regards,

Walter

Unhappily, I received no response from them.

3. Negative Rights

From: Richard Gaylord <rjgaylord@gmail.com>

Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2020 3:04 AM

To: Walter Block <wblock@loyno.edu>

Subject: Is There a Right to Health Care?

https://www.theepochtimes.com/is-there-a-right-to-health-care_3286993.html

Does this mean there’s no such thing as a right? Not at all. There is, indeed, such a thing as a negative right. We all have a right not to be murdered. If we are dispatched unjustly, there was a rights violator, the murderer. Similarly, we all have a right not to be raped, kidnapped, stolen from, assaulted, battered, threatened, etc. These are all negative rights, and are totally legitimate. Others are obligated not to perpetrate these crimes upon us. They must refrain from doing so.

you simply state that there are negative rights but you don’t prove it. why do you have the right not to be murdered? says who?

Dear Richard:

That’s because I own my own body, and anyone who murders me steals my life from me. Theft is wrong; should be illegal.

Best regards,

Walter

4. Math in Economics

Dear Richard:

That’s good material on math in econ:

economists who object to the hyper-mathematicalization of the dismal science include: Anderson, 2001, 2002; Barnett, 2003, 2004; Barnett and Block, 2006, 2010; Bratland, 2000; Bylund, 2011; Callahan, 2001; Cachanosky, 1985, 1986; Hazlitt, 1959; Herbener, 1996; Hutt, 1979; Jablecki, 2007; Kirzner, 1990; Leoni and Frola, 1977; Levinovitz, 2016; Menger, 1973; Mises, 1977, 1998; Murphy, 2008; Murphy, Wutscher and Block, 2010; Pfleiderer, 2014; Reekie, 1984A, 1984B; Rizzo, 1979; Ropke, 1956; Rothbard, 1960, 1976, 1988, 1993, 2011A, 2011B, 2019; Shostak, 2002; Spadaro, 1956; Syrios, 2017; Wolfram, 2002; Wutscher, unpublished.

Anderson, William. 2001. “The Limits of Mathematics” November 29

http://www.mises.org/story/839

Anderson, William. 2002. “Mathematics and Economic Analysis.” April 02.

http://www.mises.org/story/926

Barnett, William II.  2003.  “The Modern Theory of Consumer Behavior: Ordinal or Cardinal?”  The Quarterly Journal of Austrian Economics.  6 (1): 41 − 65; http://www.qjae.org/journals/qjae/pdf/qjae6_1_3.pdf

Barnett II, William.  2004.  “Dimensions and Economics: Some Problems.” Quarterly Journal of Austrian Economics.  Spring. Vol. 7, No. 1, pp. 95-104; http://www.mises.org/journals/qjae/pdf/qjae6_3_2.pdf;

http://www.mises.org/journals/qjae/pdf/qjae7_1_10.pdf

Barnett, William II, and Walter E. Block. 2006. “Rothbard on V shaped average and total cost curves.” Quarterly Journal of Austrian Economics, Vol. 9, No. 3, Fall, pp. 61-66; http://mises.org/journals/qjae/pdf/qjae9_3_4.pdf

Barnett, William and Walter E. Block. 2010. “Mises never used demand curves; was he wrong? Ignorant? No: The Antimathematicality of Demand Curves.” Dialogue, Vol. 1, pp. 23-31; March; http://www.uni-svishtov.bg/dialog/2010/1.10.WB.pdf

Brätland, John. 2000. “Human Action and Socially Optimal Conservation: A Misesian Inquiry into the Hotelling Principle.” The Quarterly Journal of Austrian Economics 3, no. 1: 3-26; http://mises.org/journals/qjae/pdf/qjae3_1_1.pdf

Bylund, Per. 2011. “The ‘Mystery’ of the Endowment Effect.” December 28; http://mises.org/daily/5839/The-Mystery-of-the-Endowment-Effect

Callahan, Gene. 2001.  “Logical Economics vs. Mathematical Economics ” February 17; http://www.mises.org/story/616

Cachanosky, J. C. 1985. La Ciencia Economica vs. La Economia Matematica I. (“The pitfalls of Mathematical Analysis in Economics”).  Libertas, 3(Octubre). Issue: http://www.eseade.edu.ar/riim/indice42.asp?ID=47

Article: http://www.eseade.edu.ar/servicios/Libertas/47_6_Cachanosky.pdf

http://www.eseade.edu.ar/servicios/Libertas/47_6_Cachanosky.pdf

Cachanosky, J. C. 1986. La Ciencia Economica vs. La Economia Matematica II. (“The pitfalls of Mathematical Analysis in Economics”) Libertas, 4(Mayo). Issue: http://www.eseade.edu.ar/riim/indice42.asp?ID=46

Article: http://www.eseade.edu.ar/servicios/Libertas/46_4_Cachanosky.pdfhttp://www.eseade.edu.ar/servicios/Libertas/46_4_Cachanosky.pdf

Hazlitt, Henry, 1959. The Failure of the “New Economics,” (New Rochelle, NY: Arlington House); See especially pp. 98-106.

Herbener, Jeffrey M. 1996. “Calculation and the Question of Mathematics,” Review of Austrian Economics, 9(1), pp. 151-162

Hutt, W. H. 1979. The Keynesian Episode: A Reassessment, (Indianapolis, IN: Liberty Press); See pp. 99-103.

Jablecki , Juliusz. 2007. “How Many Traders Can You Fit into a Model? August 23; http://www.mises.org/story/2646

Kirzner, Israel M. 1990. “The ‘Austrian’ Perspective on the Crisis.” Austrian Economics, Vol. 1, Edward Elgar, 191-202

Leoni, Bruno, and Frola, Eugenio. 1977. “On mathematical thinking in economics,” The Journal of Libertarian Studies, Vol. 1, No. 2, Spring, pp. 101-110

Levinovitz, Alan Jay. 2016. “The new astrology; by fetishising mathematical models, economists turned economics into a highly paid pseudoscience.” April 4;

https://aeon.co/essays/how-economists-rode-maths-to-become-our-era-s-astrologers;

file:///C:/Users/WBlock/AppData/Local/Microsoft/Windows/INetCache/Content.Outlook/CKHU6Y6I/How%20economists%20rode%20maths%20to%20become%20our%20eras%20astrologers.pdf

Menger, Karl. 1973. “Austrian Marginalism and Mathematical Economics,” Carl Menger and the Austrian School of Economics. J.R. Hicks and Wilhelm Weber, eds., Oxford: Clarenden Press.

Mises, Ludwig von. 1977. “Comments about the mathematical treatment of economic problems,” The Journal of Libertarian Studies, Vol. 1, No. 2, Spring, pp. 97-100

Mises, Ludwig von. [1949] 1998. Human Action, Scholars’ Edition. Auburn: Mises Institute. http://mises.org/resources/3250;

http://www.mises.org/humanaction/pdf/HumanActionScholars.pdf;

Murphy, Robert P. 2008. “Austrian Realists.” July 17; http://mises.org/story/3028

Murphy, Robert P., Robert Wutscher and Walter E. Block. 2010. “Mathematics in Economics: An Austrian Methodological Critique.” Philosophical Investigations, January, Vol. 33, No 1, pp. 44-66; http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/fulltext/123209256/PDFSTART

Pfleiderer, Paul. 2014. “Chameleons: The Misuse of Theoretical Models in Finance and Economics.” March; https://www.gsb.stanford.edu/faculty-research/working-papers/chameleons-misuse-theoretical-models-finance-economics

Reekie, W. Duncan.  1984A. “The Austrain Response at a Micro Level.”  Markets, Entrepreneurs, and Liberty, Wheatsheaf Books, pp. 27-55

Reekie, W. Duncan. 1984B.  “The Austrian Macro Retort.” Markets, Entrepreneurs, and Liberty, Wheatsheaf Books, pp. 56-84

Rizzo, Mario. 1979. “Praxeology and Econometrics: A Critique of Positivist Economics,” New Directions in Austrian Economics, Louis Spadaro, ed., Kansas City: Sheed Andrews and McMeel, pp. 40-56

Ropke, Wilhelm, 1956. “The Place of Economics Among the Sciences,” in On Freedom and Free Enterprise, Mary Sennholz ed, (Princeton, NJ: D. Van Nostrand Co.) pp. 111-127.

Rothbard, Murray [1960] 1997. “The Mantle of Science,” in The Logic of Action One (Cheltenham, UK: Edward Elgar), pp. 3-23. Originally published in Scientism and Values, Helmut Schoek and James W Wiggins, eds.

Rothbard, Murray [1976] 1997.“Praxeology: The Methodology of Austrian Economics,” in The Logic of Action One (Cheltenham, UK: Edward Elgar), pp. 58¬-77. Originally published in The Foundations of Modern Austrian Economics, Edwin Dolan, ed.

Rothbard, Murray N. 1988. “Chaos Theory: Destroying Mathematical Economics from Within?” The Free Market. Vol. VI, No. 3; http://www.mises.org/freemarket_detail.asp?control=296

Rothbard, Murray N. 1993.  Man, Economy, and State, 2 vols., Auburn, AL: Ludwig von Mises Institute

Rothbard, Murray N. 2011A. “Daniel Bernoulli and the Founding of Mathematical Economics.” February 10; http://mises.org/daily/4941/Daniel-Bernoulli-and-the-Founding-of-Mathematical-Economics

Rothbard, Murray N. 2011B. “Praxeology: the Methodology of Austrian economics.” Chapter 4 in Economic Controversies. Auburn, AL: Mises Institute

http://library.mises.org/books/Murray%20N%20Rothbard/Economic%20Controversies.pdfhttps://mises.org/store/Economic-Controversies-P10459.aspx

Rothbard, Murray N. 2019. “Statistics: Destroyed From Within?” August 15;

https://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2019/08/statistics-destroyed-from-within.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed:+economicpolicyjournal/KpwH+(EconomicPolicyJournal.com)

Shostak, Frank. 2002. “What is Wrong with econometrics?” April 17.

http://www.mises.org/story/940

Spadaro, Louis M. 1956. “Averages and Aggregates in Economics,” in On Freedom and Free Enterprise, Mary Sennholz ed, (Princeton, NJ: D. Van Nostrand Co.) pp. 140-60.

Syrios, Andrew. 2017. “Economists Are the New Astrologers.” August 29;

https://mises.org/blog/economists-are-new-astrologers

Wolfram, Stephen. 2002. A New Kind of Science. (Champaign, IL: Wolfram Media); pp. 429-432

Wutscher, Robert. Unpublished. “Foundations in economic methodology: The use of mathematics by mainstream economics and its methodology by Austrian economics.”

http://www.mises.org/journals/scholar/Wutscher.pdf

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