Jesse Ventura on Government Cover-Ups . . . 9/11, the Reality of
HAARP and Making Government Better
by Anthony Wile
The Daily Bell
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Bell is pleased to present an exclusive interview with Jesse Ventura.
Jesse Ventura is the former Independent Governor of Minnesota. He
is also a former U.S. Navy SEAL, professional wrestler, movie actor,
a visiting fellow at Harvard Kennedy School of Government, and the
New York Times bestselling author of five books. He is currently
the host and executive producer of TruTV's Conspiracy Theory with
Jesse Ventura. He has a reputation as the ultimate non-partisan
truth-seeker; he has no qualms about questioning authority.
Thanks for sitting down with us. You've written another very interesting
Documents the Government Doesn't Want You To Read. Tell
us about it.
This is a book I collaborated on with Dick Russell, and I would
like to give him the credit for doing all the research. That's why
we make a good team. I just don't have the patience to do the research
he does. It was our publisher, SkyHorse it was their idea
to do this book. Dick and I started searching for these documents,
which are all documents released by the US government. WikiLeaks
started releasing information right before we started, so naturally
we used some of their stuff too. We started by going back to World
War II, and we picked out 63 documents that we thought were very
important. We choose 63 because that was the same year that President
John F. Kennedy was murdered. That was when everything went bad.
If you can murder the president and get away with it, you can do
Do you use original sources?
Absolutely. The documents are original, not opinion. We reprinted
the documents, so the reader has the ability to read all of them.
What was the most shocking thing you learned.
We learned a lot, and it's hard to pick out one thing. I think probably
the one that got me the most was that the CIA has an assassination
manual. Now, assassination is just a fancy way of saying, first
degree murder and I find it unbelievable that my government would
print a manual on how to do it, how to get away with it. As far
as I know, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that's against
the law in every country in the world.
Do you believe criminal acts have been committed within the frame
of reference of what you discovered?
Absolutely, without a doubt. Many criminal acts have taken place.
We break the book down into sections. Part 1 is Post War History;
Part 2 is Government, Military and Corporate Secrets; Part 3 is
Shady White Houses; Part 4 is 9/11; Part 5 is The War on Terror.
How can regular Americans stop criminal behavior at the top levels
of government and in the media?
My belief is very simple and clear. All the people of the United
States have to do is stop electing Democrats and Republicans. Vote
for anyone else, because clearly, both of these parties, are bought
off by the corporations. There is no doubt in my mind about it.
I refer to the United States as the Fascist States of America now.
If you look at the definition of fascism, it's when corporations
and religion control the government and that's where we are.
What is the CIA's top-secret program to control human behavior?
They have been doing it for years. They started back in the 60s
doing many things to control people. In our book we describe how
they use the military for experiments. In the late 40s, the US went
down to Nicaragua and infected a massive amount of people with syphilis
because they needed to see if penicillin worked. Fortunately it
did. I mean, these people didn't volunteer and that's part of the
reason I kept thinking of Nazis when I was doing this book, because
that's the type of behavior you'd expect from Nazis.
Here is information we received your publisher about your book.
Feel free to comment on these ... What was Operation Northwood and
why does it matter?
Operation Northwood was discussed under John .F. Kennedy's watch.
It matters because of what it is. The Chief of Staff of the Pentagon
suggested to the president that the CIA and the military attack
certain US cities and make it look like Cuba did it. Then the country
would support an invasion of Cuba.
If this was on the table in the 60s, was it not on the table in
2001? Could it parallel the twin towers? Could the twin-towers have
been what they call a False Flag Operation? There have been many
False Flag Operations. It seems that every war has been started
I am a Vietnam
Vet, and the False Flag Operation of Vietnam was the Gulf of Tonkin.
That's what pulled us into Vietnam with ground troops, because we
were told that the Vietnamese had attacked one of our ships in the
Gulf of Tonkin. Well, I was teaching at Harvard in 2004, when McNamara
was getting ready to die and he figured he better come clean. He
admitted that the Gulf of Tonkin incident had never happened. Some
58,000 of my generation were killed and well over a million Vietnamese
were killed, all based on an event that didn't happen.
Reichstag Fire in Germany in the 1930s. They burned down the congressional
building and blamed it on the Communists, which set the stage for
war. It turned out that the Nazi's had done it themselves. So many
of these things are repeated over and over in history. It's the
old cliché, if it works once, it will work again.
What potentially deadly healthcare outbreaks have been covered up?
Many. There are biological experiments that have been done at Plum
Island, which is right off Long Island. Eric Traub ran that operation,
and his expertise was biological warfare with wood ticks and mosquitoes.
Ironically, right across the water is a place called Lyme, Connecticut.
And Lyme, Connecticut was where the first case of Lyme disease was
reported, and as we know Lyme disease is passed by wood ticks. So
was that an experiment that went awry at Plum Island, and now it's
loose, and we have to deal with it? That's just one example of the
US government dealing in biological warfare.
What does the Department of Defense knows about our food supply but
There are a lot of chemicals being put in food today. And then there's
the water. Why do they put fluoride in the water? They tell us it's
to help our teeth, but we can't look after our own teeth? Fluoride
is the main ingredient for Prozac. So if you are drinking water
with fluoride in it you, are drinking Prozac, and we all know what
Prozac does. That is another little trick from the Nazis. They used
fluoride way back.
Any non-public domain documents?
Every document that we have used is in this book is in the public
domain. All 63 documents are in the public domain; you just have
to know how to search for them and find them. They are all out there
in the public domain so I don't have to fear being arrested.
Any other documents in the book you want to tell us about?
OK, let's go to 9/11 for a moment, because we cover that in the
book. An interesting document on 9/11 is the Pentagon's stand down
order. I always wondered why we didn't have jet fighter planes in
the air that day. Lo and behold, June 1 of 2001 by executive order
of the President, George W. Bush, standard operating procedures
were changed, when dealing with hijacked planes.
Up until that
point in time, it was left up to base commanders to make the call.
If the FAA called them and said they had a problem in the air, the
base commander would make the call to scramble the jets. June 1,
2001 there was an executive order changed that. The order from George
Bush meant that no jets could be scrambled without approval from
the DOD, which is the Department of Defense. Essentially you could
have a stand down simply by Donald Rumsfeld not answering the phone,
because nobody then would have the ability to go air-borne. Since
then, it's been changed back.
Is government generally too secretive?
Absolutely and completely. It is mind-boggling how secretive the
government is. The government classifies an astounding 16 million
documents as top secret per this year! 16 MILLION! That must be
every document they put out! If people attack me and say that I'm
not patriotic, well, I stand with good people. Patrick Henry who
wrote the book, Give me Liberty or Give me Death, said, "The
liberties of people never were, or never will be secure, when the
transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them."
problem. Our government is concealing so many documents from the
public that no one knows what is going on. As a citizen, I have
every right to know what my tax paying money is going for. They
don't have a right to keep that secret from me. They are using my
money; they are using the public's money to finance this stuff,
so we have a right to know.
I understand from time to time the government may do some things
that have to be secret; sure I do; I am a former Navy Seal. But
when it's over, there is no reason that the documents should not
be made public. This is supposed to be the job of the mainstream
media. When my country was formed there were three branches of government
and the fourth branch was considered the media. They were supposed
to be the watchdog of the other three. The media has been bought
out by the corporate world and is now just the rubber stamp of the
government. They are not doing their job.
Are government secrecy laws necessary? Why is government so secretive?
I don't know. At times, as I said, it may be necessary but to the
tune of 16 million documents a year? Ridiculous.
Has the US government changed in the past 25 years? Has it become
more authoritarian? How?
Absolutely, without a doubt. Look at the Patriot Act. What puzzles
me is that our forefathers set it up so that you have to jump through
a lot of hoops to change the Constitution or amend it. They set
it up that way so a president and congress simply can't pass a law
that supersedes the Bill of Rights. Yet look at the Patriot Act.
The first amendment is about freedom of speech, freedom of the press
and the right to assemble. But the Patriot Act says that the government
is free to monitor religious and political institutions without
any suspicion of criminal activity.
can also prosecute librarians or any keepers of any other records,
including journalists related to criminal investigations. You go
to the 4th Amendment, which speaks to our right to be secure against
unreasonable searches and seizures, The Patriot Act says the government
can search and seize Americans without probable cause. Why are we
letting them get away with this? They passed a law that superseded
the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
Do you trust the American government?
I don't trust any government, not just the United States government.
And I think that's patriotic. Thomas Jefferson said, dissention
is the greatest form of patriotism. I personally believe it's every
citizen's civil duty to pay attention to what their government does,
to question their government and hold these people's feet to the
fire. If you don't do that, you will get bad government. Let's remember
something: Government is made up of nothing more than people, and
people are not perfect. So it's up to us as citizens to be diligent.
Do you think government is paranoid?
I don't think the government is paranoid; they just have to pay
homage to corporations. So, whatever corporations are doing throughout
the world dictates what the government is going to do. Take for
example, Hugo Chavez down in Venezuela; why does the United States
hate Hugo Chavez so bad? He nationalized oil and kicked out Exxon.
Another example, China is communist; Cuba is communist. We love
China, and we do nothing but business with China. Yet we can't do
anything with Cuba. The key is the fact that Castro kicked out corporations,
while China welcomes them. As long as you respect international
corporate power, you will not incur the wrath of the United States.
Why hasn't bin Laden ever been charged with anything regarding 9/11?
Exactly. I ask the same question. We're a country that has a rule
of law. They've had nine years to feed a grand jury and indict him
and hunt him down. How do you hunt someone down, to either arrest
him or kill him without indicting him first? The point is, I don't
think they have the evidence.
an indictment does not mean a conviction. You are still innocent
until proven guilty. An indictment is to get it to trial. So this
has not been done, and that tells me clearly that they don't have
enough evidence to indict bin Laden. I'll take it a step further,
and this isn't in the book. If you go to the FBI website, pull up
International Terrorists, when you get there, you will find Bin
Laden. It covers his attack on the USS Cole, covers his attack on
the US Embassy in Africa but not one word about 9/11. The biggest
single terrorist attack of all time and no bin Laden. The FBI won't
say it publicly, but off the record they have made statements that
they don't have enough evidence. That's how come it's not in his
resume. Excuse me, we've gone through two wars and gotten the Patriot
Act over something we don't have enough evidence for. Not good.
What do you think happened on 9/11? Top people on the 9/11 Commission
say that people lied to them.
I think the 9/11 Commission was a farce anyway. They weren't even
going to investigate 9/11, until the survivors from the families
of the dead people raised such hell that they finally agreed to
it. Always follow the money. Whitewater, remember that one? Where
they investigated the Clinton's real estate transactions, and ultimately
found out the president cheated on his wife. Right? Well they spent
US$100 million dollars to learn that! Now, here's 9/11 where you
have the murder of over 3,000 people. You know what the initial
allocation of money was to investigate it? $4 million. They didn't
really want to do an investigation. The money speaks volumes.
Would you run for office again?
I don't know. I have no intention to right now, but after 59 years
I have learned never, to say never. Maybe I would get motivated
to do it. If I did there is only one office I would run for, and
that would either be vice president or president, but I have no
intention to do that now.
Are warrantless wiretaps morally legal? Should they be used in America?
Absolutely not. They are not needed. You can go get a warrant if
you have credible evidence that one is needed.
Is Congress intimidated by America's Intelligence-industrial complex?
I don't know, you would have to ask Congress. I do believe the CIA
has run rampant for years now. They've been a rogue element and
basically do what ever they want to do.
Why does America get into so many wars?
It's ridiculous. It used to be that the rest of the world looked
at the United States and saw hope. Today they look at the United
States with fear, because if you cross the United States, there's
no telling what they will do. We might invade you; we'll overthrow
your government and occupy you.
destroyed my American dream. I never believed I would see my country,
without being invited, overthrow another country as we did Iraq.
I also never believed I would see the United States commit perjury.
I've been water-boarded, and I know what water boarding is. It is
torture. Once you give up that high ground, how can you look at
any other country and expect them to do anything you would ask them
What is HAARP and why is it so important?
HAARP is big in Alaska. It's 50 radio antennas and they shoot up
50,000 watts of power, which is the equivalent of what they allow
for a radio station. It's run by five or six diesel engines the
size of locomotives, and it sends low-level radio frequencies up
to the ionosphere, which is the top level before space, and throws
them back to earth.
Dr. Nick Begich,
who wrote the book, "Angels Don't Play This HAARP, Advances
in Tesla Technology," has told me, "Governor, this is
the death ray. It can knock airplanes out of the sky. It can control
it's to communicate with submarines under the water but they lied
initially about it, because they called it an unclassified research
center. When I went up there, they wouldn't let me in, so that tells
you right there they are lying because it's not open to the public.
If it were unclassified, somebody would be happy to let me in.
One of the
initial stories behind it is intriguing. Remember the tsunami that
hit Indonesia a couple of years ago? That tsunami happened, but
there was no earthquake and there was nothing that should have caused
that, and yet witnesses on the ground said they saw northern lights
before the tsunami came. Well, you can't see the northern lights
from Indonesia. But when HAARP is ramped up, it looks like the northern
lights when they are using it.
So a guy says,
"Come on Governor, you think they just kill these people for
no reason?" I said, "No, they probably wouldn't do that,
but what if they were testing this thing and the end result was
they created this tsunami."
going to go, "Oops, I guess we screwed up." No, they're
not going to say anything about it, if they caused it. Allegedly
China is experimenting with it also. There is an international treaty
that says you are not supposed to create any weapons that can control
the weather. You know what the loophole is? Nothing says you can't
do it domestically, so you don't violate the international treaty.
Does the government have too much money? Should the Federal Reserve,
which prints money from nothing, be abolished?
Hey wait a minute, the government has no money. It's all the Federal
Reserve's money. None of that money belongs to the government. It
all comes from the Federal Reserve and their name is on it. We have
to get that straight right away. Absolutely the Federal Reserve
should be abolished, in my opinion. It was created illegally to
begin with, because the Constitution said they couldn't do that
and then in 1913 they just amended the Constitution and did it anyway.
If you want to amend the Constitution, you have to have approval
of two thirds of the states, on a vote. They never did that so the
Federal Reserve is illegal.
Is there such a thing as money power? What it is?
Absolutely, he who has the money has the power. That's why I will
tell you that the Federal Reserve probably runs the United States
of America because they have the money and the power. The money
equates to power.
Does an Anglo-American monetary elite a few powerful banking
families want to create a New World Order?
I don't know. Maybe when you look at a world government, maybe it's
inevitable. Maybe it's an evolution, because the world gets smaller
every day, and I m not saying that's good or whatever. The
world has gotten much smaller with technology and computers and
ultimately maybe in 100 years from now, there will be only be one
world government across the earth. I don't know.
One thing that
you would hope would happen is in such a situation, there wouldn't
be anymore wars. That might be one positive thing that would grow
out of it. But I don't think I necessarily support that. You know,
they are trying to create it by using global warming. The global
warming cap-and-trade means you will now be paying an international
tax. When they start collecting all this money, guess what, it grows.
Anything that gives money to taxation grows. Global warming is definitely
a technique for creating global government.
Let's step back a little. Please tell us a little about your background,
where you grew up. You entered the armed forces, and you were a
professional wrestler. Give us your story.
I graduated from Minneapolis Roosevelt High School in South Minneapolis.
I was the swimming captain, and I played on an undefeated football
team, a typical high school jock. I joined the Navy right out of
high school and being a swimmer, I immediately volunteered for the
underwater demolition seal program.
from the Seal training program and served three years with Underwater
Demolition Team 12, then served another two years. After I left
the Navy, I began my pro-wrestling career for 15 years. Then I was
successful running for political office and became Mayor of Brooklyn
Park, Minnesota, which was the 6th largest city from 90-94.
I went back
to the private sector and did talk radio till 1998. Then I ran for
Governor of Minnesota in 98, and was successful again, both times
as an independent, I might add. The key to my run for Governor was
this, something they never want to talk about. I only raised $300,000
to do it. The Democrats and the Republicans combined, spent 12 million
on that campaign, and yet I beat them. I beat them with ideas rather
When I finished
being a Governor, I became a professor at Harvard University, I'm
a fellowship professor at the John F. Kennedy School of Government,
and it was at that point I went on an adventure by moving to Mexico,
900 miles down the Baja, where I currently live half the year. I
live an hour from pavement and an hour from electricity. My house
is completely solar down there. I am off the grid. I have no television,
nothing like that. When I go down there, I call it flushing my brain
out. I took up surfing and am trying to conquer surfing as best
Are you a libertarian?
I classify myself as libertarian small L. The capital L libertarian
is an anarchist. I am very much libertarian, but I understand there
is a world for government. But it's not the world that it's blossomed
We believe the best government the one that governs least? What
do you think?
Absolutely. I am fiscally conservative and socially liberal. That's
why I can't fit in either camp. I don't care if gay people get married,
I don't care if gay people join the military, I am very liberal
on all social issues, I am pro-choice, but on the flip side, government
wise, I am fiscally conservative. I think that government is in
far too many places, and it takes far too much money. I support
abolishing income tax and going to a national sales tax, which would
mean we would only have to pay 15% on the dollar. Right now with
income tax, you can go to 30, 35 or 40% on the dollar.
Are you afraid for your life or the life of your family because
you are writing on such controversial subjects?
What is next up for you?
I will finish my book tour and then go back down to Mexico, and
finish my last month and a half down there, and I will see what
happens. I don't know. I will come back to the States. If my TV
show gets picked up again, I will do that. Who knows what I'll do?
I could also disappear. I will turn 60 this summer, so who knows?
I never had a plan for my life anyway. But I will say that as of
Friday, Jesse Ventura started his first official website. I have
never owned a cell phone and I don't have a computer. My son is
running my website now, and it's called, weaintgottimetobleed.com.
Some closing thoughts?
Get involved! Quit being lemmings. When you live in a democracy,
it requires the population to be involved. If you don't hold elected
people's feet to the fire, you will get bad government. And that
is what we've got to conquer here. The people who are not paying
attention, people who are not caring. You can't be that way. You
have to care and you have to keep government controlled.
Thank your time. You are a most courageous man, and we hope everybody
reads your book.
Well thank you, and I hope everybody does too because its important
book to read. People will be shocked when they read what's there.
People in the United States seem to think their government can't
be evil. Then on the flip side, there are a lot of great, honest,
hard working people in government that work for the public good
but it doesn't mean there isn't elements of evil in the United States
government. It's our job to root out that evil.
What is most
interesting about Jesse Ventura is the type of person he is. He
is an original thinker and yet his background would not lead one
to believe he would have become one. He is a challenger of corrupt
authority, yet throughout his life he has been involved in a system
of authority and profited from it. We think that he must scare the
powers-that-be because he is a walking example of how one can be
entirely acculturated within a social environment and still end
up questioning it.
system is positioned to point people in a certain direction and
to deprive them of money and the time to think for themselves. Given
the way the system has been set up, Jesse Ventura should not exist.
He should have long ago accepted the certainties of Western power
and ceased to question its authorities. He began, in fact, in the
US military and presumably accepted a certain outlook as a result.
He then became a well known pro-wrestler, an environment that is
not known to be especially conducive to introspection and free-market
a few have emerged as entertainers and movie stars from pro-wrestling,
yet Jesse Ventura moved from pro wrestling into politics. He became
a mayor and then Governor of Minnesota, and an independent one at
that, beholden to neither mainstream party. We read somewhere that
after Ventura became governor, he was called to Washington where
he met with the CIA. He took questions from a number of agents and
wrote that eventually he figured out what they wanted to know. They
were investigating how he'd managed to become governor on an independent
ticket! What scared the powers-that-be, apparently, was that anyone
could achieve outside the two-party system.
Jesse Ventura is a scary person to the current system. Ventura has
no business being where he is today. His military background could
have switched off the part of his brain that asks too many questions.
His experience as a pro-wrestler might have focused him on show-business
and the ephemera of achieving in the venue of public entertainment.
But instead, Ventura went into politics, where the system itself
should have disciplined him and focused him on achievement within
certain social and cultural parameters. Yet somehow Ventura emerged
from this experience and continued to wonder about the world around
It is obvious
that Jesse Ventura cannot help himself. He sees unfairness and wants
to rectify it; he sees the growth in government power abuses and
wants to prune it back; he sees the dangers of growing authoritarianism
and government centralization and stands athwart the track shouting
"stop." He has no reason to act the way he does, to ask
the questions he does, to take on the battle of opposing increasingly
questionable abuses of government authority throughout the West.
Given his background, he should be PART of the authoritarian paradigm,
not questioning it. And yet here is, a walking, talking refutation
of the way the system should work. It is meant to winnow out the
Venturas and either co-opt them or defeat them.
is an example of why the current bout of authoritarianism can go
so far and perhaps no further. It must be intensely frustrating
for those who have set up and implemented the current system, which
is designed primarily, it seems, to make people obedient. People
like him shouldn't exist in the Modern Age of the West. It is a
mystery of the human spirit. But we are certainly thankful that
there is a Jesse Ventura and that he, too, desires to spread freedom
and free-market thinking.
Note: A few days ago, on April 7th, Russia Today's Anastasia Churkina
sat down with Jesse Ventura for an exclusive interview about his
latest book, 63 Documents the Government Doesn't Want you to
Read. To visit the Daily Bell YouTube Channel and watch the Ventura
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