Legal Jurisdiction

Letter 1

From: M C <mcuneo86@gmail.com>

Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2020 4:58 PM

To: walter block <wblock@loyno.edu>

Subject: Oklahoma supreme court decision

Do you have any links or info on a rothbardian approach to the topic of jurisdiction? For example what happened today with the supreme court. Apparently a rape case went to trial and the defense was oklahoma lacked proper jurisdiction. Never thought about this from a libertarian perspective. Also your quick thoughts or opinion would be enlightening and informative. Thanks!

Off the cuff I think if a rape occurs it wouldnt matter who has jurisdiction but that might be wrong from a pure legal perspective. Not a lawyer haha. Take care.

Letter 2

On Thu, Jul 9, 2020, 8:12 PM Walter Block <wblock@loyno.edu> wrote:

Dear Mike:

I think the issue here is not really the (alleged??) rape; that’s just the specific case. The real issue is, who has sovereignty over Eastern Oklahoma. From an anarcho-capitalist Rothbardian point of view, it would be neither the Indian tribe, nor the government of the state of Oklahoma nor the US govt. The jurisdication would be, rather, a private defense agency in the area.

Here’s how I rank the jurisdictional priority

a. a private defense agency in the area.

b. a private defense agency in the area.

c.Oklahoma

d.the US

I pick Oklahoma over the US on grounds of decentralization. I choose the tribe over either level of government because at least so far, they have violated rights far less than these other two

Best regards,

Walter

Letter 3

From: M C <mcuneo86@gmail.com>

Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2020 7:15 PM

To: Walter Block <wblock@loyno.edu>

Subject: Re: Oklahoma supreme court decision

Interesting. So what would happen if, say, a private defense agency catches a robber in the act, but the victim isn’t a customer. I’d imagine courts would still hear the case and toss out “jurisdiction?”

Letter 4

Dear Mike:

There’s a large literature on how private courts, defense agencies, would operate.

You can start with this:

Murphy, Robert P. 2013. “Where Are the Rothbardian Defense Agencies?” December 14; http://141.164.71.80/exchange/

Best regards,

Walter

Here’s more of a bibliography:

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In the view of Rothbard (1973, emphasis added by present author): “For centuries, the State (or more strictly, individuals acting in their roles as ‘members of the government’) has cloaked its criminal activity in high-sounding rhetoric. For centuries the State has committed mass murder and called it ‘war’; then ennobled the mass slaughter that ‘war’ involves. For centuries the State has enslaved people into its armed battalions and called it ‘conscription’ in the ‘national service.’ For centuries the State has robbed people at bayonet point and called it ‘taxation.’ In fact, if you wish to know how libertarians regard the State and any of its acts, simply think of the State as a criminal band, and all of the libertarian attitudes will logically fall into place.”

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“…there is no sign that David Friedman in any sense hates the existing American State or the State per se, hates it deep in his belly as a predatory gang of robbers, enslavers, and murderers. No, there is simply the cool conviction that anarchism would be the best of all possible worlds, but that our current set-up is pretty far up with it in desirability. For there is no sense in Friedman that the State – any State – is a predatory gang of criminals.”

“The radical cannot think in such terms, because the radical regards the State as our mortal enemy, which must be hacked away at wherever and whenever we can. To the radical libertarian, we must take any and every opportunity to chop away at the State, whether it’s to reduce or abolish a tax, a budget appropriation, or a regulatory power. And the radical libertarian is insatiable in this appetite until the State has been abolished, or – for minarchists – dwindled down to a tiny, laissez-faire role.”

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